When I checked it was picking up at the Ismaili centre going to Ealing. I called in to the office to say that I was bidding up to three miles and the Ismail centre was about four or five miles away and was told it was three as the crow flies and the woman was prepared to wait the half hour I predicted to get there as there were no other cabs available.
So I went to pick her up on a legally acquired job starting in south Kensington. I was wearing my yellow badge as I got out to assist her with the low step and was suitably snarled at by a GB who saw it as I rounded the cab to get back in.
What the f**k do you think your up to? I believe was the exact phrase he used as he took note of my plate number and threatened to report me,
"My job"
was my less than convincing reply, but let's face it, who would have believed me short of the pco contacting comcab and finding out my location at the time of allocation?
I never take jobs I am not legally entitled to but I rarely work outside the all London area which although being totally legal is also fraught with angry GBs who can't wait to kill the YB scum as they see us!
Don't think it's our fault because we didn't do the green, it's your fault cos you never bothered to check the laws and accuse without facts or reason.
All the ids will do is highlight how many yellows work legally in town which will only serve to hack off the greens obsessed with picking on YBs rather than PHV!
There are a few rogues who will disappear with the IDs leaving us law abiders to take the flack for your prejudice (note spelling... barrister bastard).
If you see a YB getting hailed and stopping fair play, they deserve all they get, but any other action could easily be and probably is legal or accidental. (ie checking your takings on the meter whilst stuck in traffic and your light goes on. If you don't permit anyone to get in your cab or accept a fare, it's not illegal for your light to go on out of sector. What is illegal is plying for hire and a hire light illuminated on its own does not constitute this!!)
I'm not saying don't report wrong doing, just be sure it's wrong doing that you report. Imagine how exhausting it would be if you had to keep explaining yourself although you had done nothing wrong!!
Anyone want to buy a soap box?
I was always lead to believe that the TAXI roof light is just a courtesy light,and even if its on dont mean you are for hire,However the one at the side is a different matter,As that actually states for hire.And thats the important one.This came about talking about picking up at Gatwick,and even if its Radio job,for that split second that it flicks on as you start your meter,you could be deemed plying for hire out of your area.Its so ridiculous it could be true.
ReplyDeletePlease stop insulting London cab drivers we are not violent and if you had done the knowledge of London and put 4 years of hard graft into it you would understand we ain't going to put are badge on the line so don't worry about us,, I would be more worried about the punter who lives in hampstead and calls radio taxis instead of Addison lee as he expects a black cab has done the knowledge of London , and a suburban driver turns up , he may well give radio taxis a mouth full..... And moan about being taken for a mug ...
ReplyDeleteYou DONT have to accept in your area ,You can acept a job that is prebooked ANYWHERE in the met district same as Private Hire ,These in area laws are guidlines set up by the TPH and are NOT case law so let it be know ,Otherwise all ph are touting ilegally .As for the stuff aboUt gbs giving us grief yes its going to kick off big time IF you put your id in "im not " And ive got legal protection to say u dont have to!
ReplyDeletei think youll find the ybs who will suffer are the ones who regularly rank up at the mainline stations,or haunt the main thorough fares like oxford st,regent st,the strand etc etc etc.they are the ones who stand to lose when the ids are introduced.if a yb is reported for picking up legally then he has nothing to worry about.ok it may be a pain being called up to explain yourself but surely in time the pco will have some kind of system that they will be able to check the validity of the said ybs job allocation before he gets his call up.it does seem like the ybs are looking for any old excuse for these ids not to be brought in.i wonder why?theyre coming gentlemen so lets get used to the idea eh........
ReplyDeletethe law states that a taxi is only legally plying for hire if it is found standing in the street.
ReplyDeleteThis is the whole point of ranks, and hailing a taxi. Both situations require the passenger to " find a taxi standing in the street".
Hence waiting in traffic, or stopped at lights doesn't qualify because you have to be stationary with an intent to be hired for the law to be enforced.
Thus the predicament of any light or "permitted advertising" reguardless of wording on such light- is rendered unenforceable and in contrast, any taxi found on a rank or that stops due to hailing - reguardless of the predicament of the permitted advertising of its hire lights and reguardless of the wording thereon - shall be deemed available for hire and answerable in law for this matter.
I hope this clears it up for you!
Thanx admin, REALLY CHUFFED!!
On the contrary anon 17:00
ReplyDeleteThe law states specificly that TAXI DRIVERS can ONLY accept hire in the boundries that they are licensed for.
So a Newham driver can accept a job going from Kingston to Heathrow whilst in Newham, but cannot accept a job going. From Newham to LCA whilst in Kingston......etc!!!
Its about time all 'london taxi' drivers realised that their licence boundries are law!!
That includes the All london drivers who turn there lights on from home in essex, sussex, surrey, middlesex and any other sex you care to mention!!
'I used to be able to' is not an excuse!!
why do AS/UCG/RMT try to protect these YBs,they are taking our work for gods sake. there is nothing we can do about sat offices because were not around when the drunks need us..ie... sat offices were put in place..and most of us don't take them anyway so there is no argument. we can do some thing about the YBs so support it and grow up you out of touch morons.
ReplyDeletewell done Mason and Chapman, with the help of the dim one at the biscuit factory you've got us all fighting each other even more than before.
ReplyDeleteNo need to break the taxi trade apart, it does a good job of self destruction by itself.
divide and rule has never been a more apt saying than now.
Anonymous 15:54 - it is legal for yellow badges to do radio work in Hampstead so long as they are in their sector (which might start at The Spaniards) when they accept the job. If your point was valid, Dial-a-cab, which is a green-badge-only circuit, would have taken over every account and Comcab and Radio Taxis, which supply yellow badges to varying degrees at varying times in varying locations, would have withered at the vine.
ReplyDeleteYour complaint demonstrates exactly why these stickers will be a disaster - because certain green badges like you pretend that all you want is for other taxi drivers to stop breaking the law, when what you really want is for other taxi drivers to stop existing. This has nothing to do with the law or concern for the passengers and has everything to do with greed. The stickers are designed to turn people like you who want us to stop existing into our judge, jury and executioners and yet still we see halfwits here claiming that the law-breaking yellows are the only ones with reason to object.
I know a green badge who has lived in Cyprus for donkeys' years and returns to London every November to do six weeks of work - I imagine the knowledgeable service he gives to the customers is terrible, and you probably hear stories about him from your customers and say "must have been a yellow badge". He could return to London for good and join Dial-a-cab any day now. I don't hear any green badges calling for retesting on the six mile radius every three years to protect the passengers from people like him. But then, that would affect you, wouldn't it!
On the contrary anon AT 1 OCLOCK ! Ill see you in court on that one .....YOU CAN ACCEPT A RADIO PRE BOOKED JOB ANYWHERE IN THE MET DISTRICT ! as ybs licence is also PH LICENCE otherwise what about ph ? ANY THAT INCLUDES YOU MASON WHAT TO GO TO COUT ON THAT JUDGMENT ?
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ReplyDeleteI didn't mention or hint at violence.
I said he snarled at me "what the f. do you think your'e playing at" and he threatened to report me. I didnt, or wouldnt insult or slander any london cab driver. I even went on to say that given the circumstances who would believe me, hence suggesting he wasn't behaving unreasonably! please read more carefully in future.
Anon 17:00
I dont know your source for information but it is appallingly unreliable!!
Plying for hire on the radio is deemed to be a 'rolling rank', hence you can only ply for hire on the radio within your licenced, or permitted areas for street hire.
you can accept a job with a pick up outside your licenced area as longas you are within your area when you accept it, however you can never accept any job, even one starting within your licenced area, if you are outside your licenced area when you accept it.
this is also the law that governed radio circuits under the Met long before tfl took over and I believe
its the same law that governs private hire, ie all bookings have to. be taken from the premisis (or area) that is licenced for the purpose.
ask any radio circuit and they will tell you the same thing, the responsibility to only accept jobs in your licenced area falls to the individual driver, but you wont have a leg to stand on if you are the subject of a complaint or involved in an accident.
worth thinking about, eh.........
Why all of a sudden are we being quoted extracts of thelaw?are we now saying the yb has the same rights to ply for hire in central london?ybs did the burbs to work their sector didnt they or have i missed something?pick up in your own sector and drop off in london by all means...then turn your light off and go back to your own sector.simples.this is how its meant to work and any yb who does otherwise is a fraud.gbs guard their right to ply for hire jealously because they know just how hard it was to earn that right.if a yb wants to work in london there is a very very simple solution...........answers on a postcard please.
ReplyDeleteOver the last week, hundreds of thousands of jobs were illegally touted and taken away from the taxi trade. Last month an approximate 12 serious sexual assaults took place in licensed PHVs
ReplyDeleteAnd all you can find to fight about is ID badges
Men are coming to kill you and if you don't look up and see the trees your profession will die.
Happy new year
Mr Anoymous above since when has pre booked been plying for hire ? Wrong again.. Mr Anoymous 12:01 ,you really have know idea what you are on about but belive me, you are wrong on that matter ,Alot of ybs and gbs ,Have weddingS ,funerals and booked customers alot of these companys are not in the met area ,Be carefull what you say and get it right .TC14
ReplyDeleteAs a green badge London taxi driver I like most other taxi drivers get abused called names and get other peoples Road rage forced on me every other day , sometimes for just doing a u turn ..so if you are worried about a nasty London taxi green badge driver snarling at you from time to time ,,, I think you are in the wrong jo.
ReplyDeleteI WAS OUT LAST THURSDAY I ASK 3CABS WITH LIGHT ON TO TAKE TO OAKWOOD ENFIELD IAM CAB DRIVER MYSELF THEY ALL SAID NO ON WAY HOME I GOT A NIGTHBUS TO FINSBURY PARK THERE I SAW A CAB YELLOW BADGE DRIVER TOOK ME HOME I SAIN TO MERRY CHRISTMAS AND A BETTER NEW YEAR 230 315 AM
ReplyDeleteAnon 14.48 if you snarl at me,ill get your nmber off your new id on your cab insert it in to the tfl check a name,then pay you a visit .
ReplyDelete18.27.....the police then check who was on the tfl check a name site and pay you a visit.loss of badge ,loss of livlihood all for a snarl.just the kind of cab driver the trade doesnt need.......pity you dont show the same kind of fighting talk outside the abacus bar at 2 am on a friday night you key board warrior.
ReplyDeleteFinger on the pulse anon 12.20, also what about the 13 TfL mini cabs ranked up at South Kensington last night, let alone the 9 TfL mini cabs in Great Eastern Street, how do they get all these ranks? Where's our ranks?
ReplyDeleteWho represents us on the Joint Ranks Committee?
No doubt, they are all to busy persecuting those nasty yellow badges !!!
Anon 12.20 who said i was a cab driver ? .And you can not check a checker .
ReplyDelete19.08 grow up mate....shouldnt you be on one of those football hooligan sites you prize turnip.if your not a cab driver dont be a complete melt wasting your time on a site that has no relevance to you and if you are a cab driver which i suspect you are,well all hope is lost for are trade.my god whatever next......your dad is bigger then my dad,i ll get my big brother to duff you up,just wait to school ends.the mind boggles it really does!
ReplyDelete12.33 I could be a minicab driver ? ,Who is very happy at the way things are going, keep up the good work cabbies The lcdc have done more harm to your trade than you think .
ReplyDeleteYeah ,a minicab driver who knows all about the fallout with the lcdc.....i wont be replying to you anymore nomark so carry on with your "im not a cabbie"game on your own you helmet.........
ReplyDeleteMini cabs are the ones you got too stop they seem to have every one on there side ! It's a trade the taxi trade yellow or green don't matter but the mini cabs are the ones breaking the law every week !
ReplyDeleteThis whole identifier scheme has nothing to do with yellow badges working out of their area and everything to do with the above article about cleaner air legislation. The identifiers have your badge number on so that it can be clearly read at a distance and a fine issued to the appropriate driver for misdemeanour - as per usual it is about taking far more money out of your pocket than any yellow badge has ever done...
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