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The identifiers will be contained in plastic wallets that will attach to the glass, so the ID badges can be easily removed. We're also informed that should a driver lose his identifiers or if they are stolen from the vehicle, the driver will have to apply for a new badge number and cannot work until it is issued. As PCO/LTPH have no counter services, this will have to be done by post and going on past experience (renewing bill) could take many weeks.
Many weeks where the driver will be unable to work and earn a living.
***Worrying and Dangerous***
The most worrying aspect of these identifiers is, they carry the drivers badge number in big bold print. At present, these is no reason why an interested passenger or enquiring enforcement officer should not be given access to a drivers badge number, but why should any pedestrian, cyclist or angry nut job be given this information.
More worrying, is the fact that LTPH are currently collating drivers details to use on a database, which will be accessible to any member of the general public with a drivers badge number.
We already have a registration number and a PCO plate numbers on full view to the public. Why would anyone need a drivers personal details?
The Anderson Shelter, along with the UCG and the RMT believe this is going to compromise the safety of every Licensed Taxi driver and their family.
It seem officers at TfL have no conscience over peoples well-being or safety. We have already seen the death of one of their own, compliments of "Project Horizon". Just what will be the consequence of this data base, I dread to think.
Last week at a democratic branch meeting, the London Taxi branch of the RMT voted 29-1 to oppose the introduction of these stickers based on these principles.
- Drivers already wear Yellow and Green Badges that are available to passenger and enforcement officers alike.
- Private hire is not required to have any new stickers or badges exclaiming they cannot be booked without being pre-booked.
- If an ID badge is stolen from the back by a passenger, then the driver has to stop working completely until a new badge number is issued. This we understand could take several weeks.
- A database, currently being compiled by TfL will allow members of the public to look up the details of a badge number and be able to identify the driver.
The Anderson Shelter now believes this whole issue of ID badges has been a cover-up for the scandalous, ineffectual handling of the stolen Bills from Penton Street.
It has also been used to keep the trade fragmented and defuse the issue of non enforcement of illegal plying for hire by licensed PHVs outside so called operational centres (satellite offices), seen as a major revenue source to TfL.
The editor of the LCDC publication "The Badge" has allowed LTPH to continually publish untrue scare tactics and lies about the current Yellow badge/Green badge issue.
Editorial Comment by Travis B.
So where are we now folks?
- Cloned Bills of unknown quantity on the streets with TfL panicked into Bill & Badge Checks that may or may not catch a few. Too little, too late yet again.
- Money spent on identifiers that have been divisive, will cause us all grief if taken from the cab,dressed up as a GB/YB issue when it was clones all along as the reason. yet no 'pre booked only' for PH, why?
- PHV's out of control and touting getting worse, due to TfL's denial of reality and its inability to take the decisions necessary to beef up the enforcement or regulations. The PH consultation was laughable and a non event.
- A 'United' Trade Group obsessed with 'keeping in' with TfL rather than defending the trade in any real way. The fight is being taken by others, join them today.
- Olympic Lanes, Age Limits, Law Commission, all threats and disadvantages to be faced for the world's No.1 Cab Trade. (please note FYI TfL, the surveys have never included either your 'splendid' organisation or private hire).
Many of us heard the usual PR Script from John Mason on Eddie Nestor last week and that Mr Mason expects his bonus and the avoidance of anything challenging.
Well all I can say, if Mr Mason is performance related, he owes the council tax payers and the cab trade a rebate!
Be Lucky, (we are all gonna need it!)
Editorial Comment from Thomas the Taxi.
The Anderson Shelter in no way condones the practice of suburban drivers working out of sector and feel they should be dealt with by the official channels. Had we known about the real problem with the stolen bills earlier, we would have shown more favour to the increased badge and bill checks.
Great news for London and the cab trade ,,, the unions are scared to say anything good about the identifiers because the the many yellow badges that cheat our trade get very angry , the l t d a have got hundreds of yellow badges screaming at them because they haven't done nothing to stop the ids , to many people have seen it as an easy route I was even talking to a watford taxi driver Who is doing the 30 wembley runs so he can work town with his sat nav, all his friends are yellow badges working town, simples ... The ids will stop the rot.
ReplyDeleteI know we are far to honest for this but,If the back identifier is stolen,you cannot work until its replaced several weeks,
ReplyDeleteSo you will have no option but to claim benefits,to pay your rent,mortgage etc,They cant refuse you as you have not made yourself unemployed.
Now just supposing your identifier,goes missing the week before you go on holiday.For the first time ever holiday pay.
Down to the goverment,wont look good on Camerons unemployment figures.If I have thought of this,how comes the people in power have not.
Beginning to like this identifier lark.
Great stuff, they should have come out months ago. I for one cannot wait until they are fully implemented. It is the obnly way to help prevent the theiving scum within nicking work......they are worse than p/h touts.
ReplyDeleteAnd don't tell me that enforcement is the way forward as it is just not going to occur any day soon.
Good ! I may actually be able to trap a job in the sw3/6 area at night now the 100s of ybs at it will no longer be able to !
ReplyDeleteExcellent news.
Typical of the cab trade not to be able to see past it's own twisted prejerdists.
ReplyDeleteThis act by TPH goes against your human rights article 8 section 1, Which gaurentees you privacy and family life safety .
This is on par to what's happened to the press
Perhaps we will see the demise of Palestras 4th floor much in the same way as the NOTW
These identifiers won't stop shit ... has anyone heard of a colour photocopier .. or better still scanning it on to a computer and adjusting the numbers ... no problem for a skilled yb or illegal unlicensed driver !! :) just means I won't get caught when stealing your work...
ReplyDeleteanon 9:17
ReplyDeletethere's plenty of work every night round about Embargo, Fulham B/way, Raffles, the 515 club,Putney Bridge, Clapham High Street, Smiths, Pasha, Fabrics, Reflection, Abacus, Revolution and the like, if only you had the bottle to put your light on rank up and pick these extremely drunk, drugged out people up.
if you did, there would be no touts
But no, you take the easy option and blame suburban drivers as you circulate round Mayfair and follow like sheep the ones who have sold you out for stand down pay.
These people slagging of fellow workers will be the first to complain when they get grief form a nutter who has traced them through the new Data Base.
ReplyDeleteThey have been brainwashed by the right wing biscuit factory Gestapo Who have capitulated to stay at the table with the likes of Oddy and co.
Come on people
ReplyDeletestop the civil war
look at the dangers hidden within this exercise.
you are willing to give up the fundamental human rights to attack a few scabbing yellow badges.
dont charge down the wrong valley
sit up and take note of the real enemy driven by the STaN agenda
while you fight amongst yourselves, they will introduce a one tier systeme.
TFL cant do nothing about the scabs defacing Rank Signs,even though they are on CCTV,
ReplyDeleteSo they make it easier,just nick the cabs identifier,Driver off the road.More work for the scabs,
anon 5:46
ReplyDeleteall very well, but what if your back ID is stolen 5 weeks before you go on holiday
or a month before Christmas.
this is ridicules rule and will cause much hardship to GB and YB alike
will the LCDC or the LTDA pay drivers stand down money if their badges are nicked?
ReplyDeletewhile they wait 3 months for new numbers to be sent out.
The green badge licences are designed for 6 digits, so TfL are planning to have more than 99,999 taxi drivers in the near future. The yellow badge licences are only designed for 5 digits, because TfL are planning to give every yellow badge a free green badge at the same time as they give one to every minicab.
ReplyDeleteAs for the green badge who can't get work in SW6 because the yellows are nicking it all, Hahahaha, I have no idea who is picking up in SW6 any more than you do, but my passengers take me from my sector to Fulham Broadway regularly and I would single it out as the one of the few places in London where I get hailed every ten yards despite having my hire light off.
Why don't we all refuse to have them in the cabs ... they can't arrest or suspend 25k drivers
ReplyDeleteA great post by Gerry.
ReplyDeleteDon't think I condone the odd yellow badge from slipping outside their patch, because I don't.
But yellow badge London Taxi Drivers are our own. They are part of our trade and do a bloody good job in keeping our profession alive and vigorous outside of the centre.
To treat them as though they are anything other than allies is lunacy.
Without our yellow badge colleagues, mini cabs would be even stronger than they are now, and we would end up with 25000 of us in the west end and city.
Let's keep our eye on the proper enemy folks. God knows there is enough of them out there !
Be careful that TFL are not creating a very clever deflection trick, to get us in-fighting with each other.
Because when that happens, Hendy & Co will slip in part two of the STaN Agenda Plan.
Dont worry about our yellow badge colleagues too much folks, there are other much more dangerous men coming to kill us.
8829 Semtex
Yellow badge drivers are very much part of this trade,we dont need identifiers just more enforcement,this i believe is a wedge to split hackney drivers down the middle--good old divid and rule.
ReplyDeleteAFTER ALL IF THERE WAS MORE ENFORCEMENT PRIVATE HIRE WOULD BE PUT IN THERE PLACE,PRE BOOKED AND ON THE END OF A PHONE NOT OUTSIDE A VENUE SHOUTING TAXI????
colinthecabby
As a YB who works legally some of the comments by GBs are disgraceful (Scum worse than touts).
ReplyDeletewhen are you idiots going to wake up and realise that nearly 70000 and growing mini cabs and god knows how many touts are the real danger and not a few YBs working out of area.
All these IDs are going to do is cause friction amongst us fellow cab drivers.
Personally Im not putting mine in my cab until I have it in black and White in a NEW RULE BOOK that says I have to.
Mary Xmas you blind and thick GB members of the LONDON CROSS DRESSERS CLUB(LCDC).
I believe the way to handle these ridicules identifier badges is to have mass disobedience.
ReplyDeleteTake a leaf out of Gandhi's book
They are expecting us to fight amongst ourselves while they roll out phase two
Let's not give them what they want on a plate.
Well said, Semtex and Colin the Cabby. Licensed TfL Private Hire Touts are Public Enemy NO 1 and NOT our Suburban colleagues.
ReplyDeleteCan I be first to have GB identifier in my taxi please, I am going to write to Mason and see if he can send mine out first :)
ReplyDeleteThey are such a great idea, no law abiding YB will have anything to worry about, it's only the thieving yb's who will hopefully suffer.
By all means a yb could knock up a gb identifier on a computer but when you eventually get a tug just think about the consequences of being charged with fraud and deception, thinking about it SOME YB's have been carrying out deception under the cloak of being a GB for years...at last the charge will fit the crime.
AT LEAST A TOUT DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO HIDE AMONGST THE TANKS OF DECENT TAXI DRIVERS.THIEVING YB'S WORKING OUT OF SECTOR ARE WORSE THAN PH TOUTS, THEY ARE THE ENEMY WITHIN.....AT LEAST A TOUT STANDS OUT FROM THE CROWD.
eze
Eze you are a plank and always have been ,You have more respect for a scab that a tout get a new job mate your going to need it.
ReplyDeleteOn a serious note,If your identifier is stolen,and you report it to the Police.Get a cad number.And TFL take a few weeks to replace it,You have good reason to take them to court for loss of earnings.
ReplyDeleteAnother good idea completely ballsed up by them.
Quote
ReplyDelete'You have more respect for a scab that a tout'
What does that mean?....In English this time please.
Truth be known I have no time for anyone who ILLEGALLY STEALS WORK, p/h or yb's working out of sector, they are all the same to me....LOW DOWN THIEVING SCUMBAGS.
ALL decent law abiding taxi drivers know that that what I say is the truth, the majority know that THIEVING occurs and many are aware of individuals that align themselves to the slippery world of thiefdom.
It is a shame that some trade orgs are not prepared to step up to the mark and denounce the THIEVING SCUM.
A problem is a problem and it is often best to clean up our own house before we cast judgement upon other peoples home's.
eze
This is a real concern, how many allegations , false complaints will be made, far to easy for those drunk arrogant twats you know the ones
ReplyDeleteLondon cabby
The loop hole of doing 30 yb runs and working town with satnavs should have been closed a long time ago... If you are a yellow badge and work town you would enjoy the job much more if you had done the knowledge of London and know town like the back of your hand . I would hate to drive a black cab and rely on a sat nav , very embarrassing , if I hadn't done knowledge I'd work for Addison lee then people would expect me to rely on sat nav and it's strange ways . And i wouldn't have to keep looking over my shoulder ... I would be kosher .
ReplyDeleteBlimey ! They have beat us again ! An Internationally viewed blog like this excellent Anderson Shelter, filled with posts of London Taxi drivers fighting London Taxi drivers !
ReplyDeleteI bet John Griffen is splitting his sides in the back of his Bentley !
It's like the Guards refusing assistance from the Paras in Afghan, because they are in a different regiment. They are all in the army aren't they ? !
They are all on the same side !
This yellow and green badge nonsense is ridiculous. Yellow badge London Taxi drivers are our own brothers, they are our friends, our allies and our suburban representation.
Sure one or two might slip over the fence ocassionally, but can't we worry about the thousands of touts robbing us every night instead ?
Cobblers like this will be the demise of us lot, and we only have ourselves to blame.
I am proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with my yellow badge colleages from the suburbs. Yes, there may be one or two rotten apples, but are all green badges part of Westminster Cathedral Choir ?
Let's stay focussed folks for christ sake, otherwise we will be a laughing stock to the mini cab trade, and the taxi industry worldwide.
8829 Semtex
Im a Private Hire driver and this is great news, black cab no it all drivers fighting each other over their territory great ,You might leave us alone now ,Go fight a yellow badge
ReplyDeletePeople are volutary giving hours a week fight to preserve the iconic job of Taxi Driver
ReplyDeletePeople put their selves in danger on the front line to try and stop this trade becoming a memory
Truth is, most if you ain't worth the effort
Arrogant, selfish, stupid.
Go fight amongst yourselves
Semtex says men are coming to kill us
Well now they don't need to
You are killing the trade all by yourselves.
To Private Hire Driver,
ReplyDeleteEven if we fight among ourselves,We will still be realms above you,Simply look at your post.
"No it all drivers"
Should be know it all.
How the feck you work your sat nav,silly boy.
The massive influx of yellow badge sub drivers is the biggest threat to our trade , now the ids are coming more people are starting to do the green badge . When I signed on the knowledge 10 years ago I was told by many drivers to do the yellow and just work town . It's not just one or two getting through the net , the ids are being introduced because of the numbers doing the subs was more than people doing the green badge . We would have been swamped . Most of the yellow badge drivers are doing the knowledge of London now as they no time is running out when they can pick up in Camden hampstead or anywhere else when they drop off .it will also be better for the genuine yellow badges who give a great service in the burbs as a lot of cheats will not do the yellow as an easy option .
ReplyDeletePeople keep on saying yb’s do the same job as gb’s well they do not.
ReplyDeleteThey are licensed taxi drivers licensed for their own area. Yb’s are no more doing the same job as a gb than a Brighton licensed taxi driver is. Driving a same type of cab as a gb does not make them any more doing the same job as a saloon type taxi.
We keep hearing it is the odd one or two yb’s who attempt to do the job of the gb driver. Human nature tells me otherwise, especially so as yb’s own area market is now collapsing. What are they going to do go bankrupt of work in town?
if yellow badge areas have collapsed why do so many of the greedy greens work in the suburbs ie city airport ,excel and romford on a friday night del boy
DeleteBecause they have earned the right to ply for hire wherever they please. Funny, you are attacking green badge drivers for doing something they are legally allowed and licenced to do, yet you think its ok for yellow badges to do something they are not licenced to do. I have no problem with anyone working central London, just do the knowledge(whole London)and be one of Londons finest without having to look over your shoulder
DeleteAnonymous 0606 states " the massive influx of yellow badge sub drivers, is the biggest threat to our trade"
ReplyDeleteEverybody is of course entitled to their opinion.
Mine is, I would rather see another 30,000 London Licensed Taxi drivers sharing our work, than 90,000 mini cabs.
Had there of been enough London Cabs to satisfy demand from the 60's till now, the Mini cab trade would never have got off the ground.
For those who tell me I am a lunatic and there is no way enough work for more London Cabs, where are Addisson Lee getting their work from then, Glasgow ?
Therefore, it is my opinion that our mate who says that the biggest threat to our trade is yellow badge colleagues working off patch, is underestimating the massive revenue that touts and mini cabs are taking out of London every day of the year.
Recession or not, there is still plenty of work in London and the suburbs to keep our trade going forever. It's just that we ain't getting it all, we are sharing it with mini cabs.
Those who think we can control the massive London passenger roadwork infrastructure with our Green Badge battalion are deluded......we can't !
So choose who you want to help us do it.....London Taxis of whatever badge colour, or Addisson Lee ?
Strangely, I think our trade have already decided !
Us humans are funny creatures.....don't you think ?
8829 Semtex
Massive influx?
ReplyDeleteAnyone bothered to do a freedom of information request to find out if this problem really exists?
In the last 3 years not one YB has been suspended or had their license revoked for working out of sector.
While this hysteriour has been reaching a climax on this post, tell me what had happened in the last two days that is going to affect the way you earn your living?
Anyone noticed what's happened?
"The masive influx of YB is the biggest threat to our trade"
ReplyDeleteWronge!
Biggest threat to our trade is the drivers.
Apathetic, belligerent, stupid with attitudes of larger lout football supporters.
These comments on this post have bought nothing but shame on our trade.
Hello Mason and Grant here ...well this worked great ,We have split the trade yippeee !!!! "now where is my back hander from Addisson Lee grant"
ReplyDeleteIn reply to Jason,
ReplyDeleteregarding an FOI request.
Here are the FACTS;
We do not hold figures for the total number of times this problem has been raised but we do hold the following information:
2008/09
• Suburban drivers identified via TfL compliance activity plying for hire outside of their area: 3
• Suburban drivers identified via customer complaints plying for hire outside of their area: 9
2009/10
Suburban drivers identified via TfL compliance activity plying for hire outside of their area: 25
• Suburban drivers identified via customer complaints plying for hire outside of their area: 17
2010/11
• Suburban drivers identified via TfL compliance activity plying for hire outside of their area: 39
• Suburban drivers identified via customer complaints plying for hire outside of their area: 19
THERE YOU GO MATE ;)
eze
Wow Eze, I didn't realise the situation was that bad 56 yB' warned 2010/2011
ReplyDeleteThat really is a massive influx???
How many suspensions or revocations.....a big fat zero. Sound like a massive problem??
Get real Eze, I expected better of you!
Some nights there are 56 scabs outside fabrics!
In reply to Jason,
ReplyDeleteWe are talking about identifiers here, NOT ph scabs, so please stick with the program.
I have issued you with the FACTS that some yb's have been caught working outside of their zone. If ltph choose not to suspend the drivers then that is their deal.
If I was in charge then there would have been holidays to match the crime....I digress here but please do not patronise me on the issue of enforcement as both you ad I know that enforcement is somewhat weak to say the least. This weakness eminates from tocu enforcement and applies to both yb's working out of sector and ph touting. Both are a real problem that need to be highlighted.
If there was more enforcement I am 100% certain that the figures of yb's illegally THIEVING work would be much much higher. The figures quoted are nothing more than the tip of the iceberg.
But then you already know that!!!
I will stand side by side with any yb who plays it by the book, I will however not stand by those who choose to be THIEVING SCUM.
eze
Looking back just recently on our great colleague Jimmy Thomas's Anderson Shelter, I have noticed some amazing things.
ReplyDeleteMany important trade relevant issues have been published. Some very important, and some extremely important.
Trade issues such as illegal touting, TFL's Agenda, the woeful and inept STAN remit, foreign nationals living abroad driving UK mini cabs, the perception and understanding of Hackney Carriage Law, cloned taxi licences, unrest at Palestra, lack of enforcement, vigorous police approvals for sattellite offices, John Mason's appointment and office, the worrying potential threat of The Law Commission Reforms, the Olympic Lane procedures, etc, etc.
I have looked back on these important subjects, and researched the number of replies that this site received.
Nobody would deny that there are some extremely important trade subjects there.
And yet, one subject has received more interest and replies than any of the others hands down !
And that was the "massive" problems our trade are having, from a few yellow badge Licensed London Cab Drivers, working out of sector !
In 1954, the Nobel Prize winning author William Golding wrote what was to become a very contraversial and famous novel. It was called Lord of The Flies.
Basically, the book describes in horrific detail how a group of British boys marooned on a desert island, try to govern themselves.....with disastrous results.
I dont know what made me think of that book right now.........I must be getting old !
8829 Semtex
Reply to Jason said... 14/12/2011 12:10
ReplyDeleteJason you can’t have it both ways. It has been said over and over that PH touting is rife and yet very few are convicted of the offence.
Yet you say lack of a conviction is indicative that very few yb’s are at it. Just as few touting PH drivers are convicted, commensurate to the offences, the same can be applied to yb’s touting.
This will be my last post on this sad subject folks.
ReplyDeleteAs in the Lord of the flies, we are turning on each other.
To me, it indicates that we have be beaten by the mini cabs, accepted defeat, and out of frustration, fear and weakness....are now turning on our own.
We are a busted flush my London Taxi Colleagues, and only a miracle will save us.
People like Jim Thomas, our colleagues from the UCG and RMT and other independent people, regularly put there safety, their liberty and their reputation on the front line. They have done it not for ego, not for fame or recognition. They have done it to help rescue an ailing London Cab Trade, savagely battered and on the ropes, from disappearing forever.
However, when our trade lose sight of who the enemy are, and who is trying to kill us.......then the whole point of it all is pointless.
I would like to think that I have personally done my best for our profession. I have represented it as best as I possibly could at all times. I have tackled the touts on the front line and covertly too, and turned out to every call that has gone up, in an effort to show strength.
I am not alone, there are many more like me, and people like Jim Thomas who would leave my efforts for dead. But unless we pull together as a trade, it simply isn't enough to win.
Reading the posts of the ravenous feast regarding our yellow badge colleagues has saddened me so much.
Never before have I seen such a united interest from various posters. They are having a field day !
And for what ? To get our trade back ? To overturn the STAN agenda ? To enforce and eradicate illegal touting ? To guarantee our survival after the Law Commission Reform ? To get use of Olympic Lanes ?
No, of course not ! To stop the odd yellow badge from working off patch !!
Great effort lads, but launch the lifeboats now !
We are going under !
Over and out from me on this subject, and best of luck !
8829 Semtex
The truth is that all of you guys don't have the bottle to go and rank outside clubs like: Fabric, The BLC or Pasha because you know yourselves that you won't be returning in one piece.
ReplyDeleteDear Semtex,
ReplyDeleteIf I did not know better then I would be forgiven for thinking that you are plying for hire out of zone as an illegally as as YB.
Alas I know better than that, I know you are indeed a time served a GB and I know you wear your heart on your sleeve.
But truth be known I cannot work you out for one minute here. Like your good self I fully support YB's, those who do their job and align themselves to the law.
At this point you and I differ as it appears from what you have written that you also align yourself to YB's who are more than will to take the food from your table by not denouncing any YB who knowingly breaks the law.
Standing side by side with a law abiding YB is totally acceptable. But standing by a YB THIEVING SCUM is not desirable in my opinion
So, what do you do Semtex, do you really side with law breakers who are in essence worse than touting ph or not? Stop sitting on the fence and either denounce the SCUM or do otherwise.
regards eze
So, Do you stand with
Semtex
ReplyDeleteCan’t you see that the knowledge is our greatest strength?
A watering down of the knowledge by yb circumventing it will just as surely kill the gb trade as the known enemy. You say that they are our friends, well friends can commit fratricide.
PH is a known quantity let them get lost and overcharge it is they who will pick up the complaint tab!
Theres a saying 'two bald men fighting over a comb', well that's what the LCDC and Mason seem to want, it deflects from their collective abject failure on touting.
ReplyDeleteIf any YB's PFH out of sector then that's their risk and will get little sympathy but bthe stats.hardly indicate an epidemic as there atre 3000 drivers and I notice all the suburban ranks banged out when I drive past.
One can only wonder though why the Flintstones from the Biscuit Factory say nowt when TfL stood by whilst 000's of rank spaces were lost to both Yellow and Green Badge Drivers?
Soon TfL will be licensing a satellite offices on tube & railway station platforms around town.
No doubt the customers will take a card and be happy for the PH firm to come in to collect them in town after a night out, no sectors or 'no booking no ride stickers' for them and another punter lost to the trade.
Get yourself down the chip shop with your mates LCDC committee and leave the defence of the cab trade to those with some intelligence.
Ug! Ug!
Why is it suburban cabs and mini cabs always say they only tout because we london cabs only want to work Mayfair sounds like two peas in a pod , I could say the same to the suburban driver when I can't get a cab in Barnett high st when I come out of the pubs pissed I have to use a mini cab because the suburban drivers are all in town or don't want to no ,,,. And that goes for most pubs and clubs In Barnet. If the pco said tomorrow mini cab drivers can drive t x 4 s in London but only do radio work would Semtex call them brothers. A suburban driver touting is like a fellow green badge overtaking you and nicking a job .....
ReplyDeleteThe LCDC have killed the trade ,They have split it ,only 2700 yellows ,cant be that many in town, jog on you yb haters thanks for the support from the true greens, im getting a new job in the new year so i wont care about this trade anymore as it is not a trade is it . Lines od scabs outside clubs and the haters drive by good luck all .
ReplyDeleteRE; Dozy Dickie
ReplyDeletequote
'If any YB's PFH out of sector then that's their risk'
IF is not an option.IF is an actual day after day, night after night event.
IF is actually a reality.
eze
The question the A.S. needs to ask itself ?
ReplyDeleteIs this blog part of the problem; or part of the cure ? Intelligent people are warning of a new danger on the horizon. When the red mist settles, you will be faced with a massive problem.
Heed the warning old man !
I dont think GBs will ever come around to YBs that work out their sector,Full stop.
ReplyDeleteBut I suppose its always gone on.
I think the problem is now you have a new breed of driver that is doing the YB,With the sole intention of working in town.And this is where the problem is.If anyone is to blame it has to be the PCO,They should have asked themselves a long while ago,How come so many are signing up for the already oversubscribed YB sectors.and put a cap on it.
I also dont think it helps when you get YBs asking to come nearer into town ie Clapham high st,or H/ROW.Dont take this the wrong way,But I imagine there would also be uproar,If the goverment decided Nurses could perform surgery,As they both work in hospitals,and both have to take exams.Just one has to study a lot harder.If the PCO really wanted this to stop the answers simple,If your a YB caught working out your sector,Say goodbye to your Badge and Bill forever,
Eze, hello my friend, long time no see, and I hope you and the family (and Malamute ) are all well.
ReplyDeleteTo all the other people who disagree with me too, I am more than happy to take your comments on the chin. Eze, you know I never sit on the fence mate ! Go over or under it, yes, but never astride it !
I have respectfully taken your comments on board, but am afraid to say that as far as I am concerned, yellow badge London Cab drivers licensed by PCO and TFL are my professional colleagues.
During my time as one of London's finest, I have met many friends in our trade. I know yellow badge drivers who have more moral fibre, principle, fight and determination to assist our profession, than a lot of our green badge conterparts could ever have.
Eze, I love you to bits mate, but if I give the impression that I am speaking up for our under represented yellow badged colleagues, I make no apology.
To me, they are now, and always will be our professional representation for our Licensed trade in the suburbs, and they are our own brothers.
If anyone fancies a fight with our "proper" enemy, come out with me in the middle on Friday nights for Operation Crystal ! See if you think our problem is yellow badges then !
Make sure you have a stab vest as I do, cos the proper touts dont just give you the middle finger.......do they Jim ? !!!!
8829 Semtex
Hi Semtex,
ReplyDeleteAll due respect right back at you fella, a clever fella are you and like any army man you will never ever use the fence ;, So instead of the fence I see that the bush is now an option for you to beat about, lol.
Okay, One question for you Semtex....just one very simple question that deserves a simple yes/ no answer.
DO YOU CONDONE YB'S WORKING OUT OF THEIR SECTOR?
thanks eze
No
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ReplyDeleteyou are not sitting on the fence as you know full well yb’s are NOT underrepresented!
They are a major voice on the LTDF and make up a higher percentages ( compared to number of yb gb licenses) of membership on the UCG? I think that is why there is a lot or replies by gb’s on here as if they trying to reply on the forum they have their membership removed.
So yellow badges use the forum very well. So much so that it is green badges who are told not to raise the issues that are under discussion on here.
And they represent themselves very well at the PCO.
As a yb driver of 13 years who only works his sectors it saddens me to read many of these posts.if there are really hundreds of ybs working out of there sectors then I guess with the identifiers coming the new year is going to be very interesting out here , but it would seem that we are all being tarrred with the same brush , scum I am not and a tout iam not . Ours is a great trade with many decent men and women gb and yb ,with the identifiers imminent hopefully we can get back to being one trade , maybe palestra will sit up and take note then that the sectors are oversubscribed , there are now hundreds of ybs on the green not because we all work in the city and west end but because over the last five years they have flooded us.as you can see if you drive past any yb station .anyway you now have got what you wanted merry xmas to you all a licensed london taxi driver [not a tout or scum ]
ReplyDeleteMy apologies for the under represented word.
ReplyDeleteI think I was thinking more of this particular subject, where it seems that there is not much support for our yellow badge colleagues.
I have many yellow badge friends and I just think that some of the comments have made them all look like wrong 'uns, which of course they aren't.
Personally, I don't want to get drawn in any further not because I fear anything, but I feel the same now as I did when this issue started.....and that is, it's a waste of time.
Since i have been in a pro-active role within our trade, I have witnessed time and time and time again, that it is the same faces who are willing to step up to the plate and assist.
There have been more people commenting on this subject on here, than usually turn up at flash demos or club raids ! Why is that then ?
Sorry chaps, my opinion hasn't changed. A shocking percentage on here would prefer to shoot down one of their own, than risk the anger and wrath of demanding a mini cab to move off our ranks.
And that.....is exactly what the old bill do, turn a blind eye !
A massive percentage of our own are turning a blind eye to the true problems that we face, and scream and try to make a name for themselves attacking friendly targets.
I have never once condoned yellow badges working outside their sector, not once.
What I have said though, is despite the odd rogue YB creeping over the borders, have we not much more serious issues to deal with.
You lot are the first to start screaming when the police set up a Licensed Taxi stop in the city. You all chant that they are taking the easy route and that they are frightened to tackle the real problem....the touts !
BUT YET....YOU ARE DOING THE SAME ON HERE !
Get ya boots on lads, we need 25000 volunteers. 24995 of us to eradicate mini cab touts, the other 5 of you can deal with rogue yellow badges !
We have a big problem at the moment, cos currently, it's the other way round !!
Do you remember when the Carriage Office used to give stop notes out for petty things like having an ashtray missing ?
Good ! Cos know you know how it feels from where I see it !
8829 Semtex
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ReplyDeleteHere is a question that i guarantee you will not answer... how on earth would you know how many yb drivers are in the UCG?
You are making it up and you know you are.
The fact of the matter is the UCG welcome yb drivers into their membership, whereas the LCDC treat them like enemies.
No-one condones yb's working out of sector but the LCDC tar all drivers with the same brush.
I notice there has still been no mention of the STaN agenda in the badge newspaper, it appears the LCDC view yb's as a bigger enemy than the scab touts
LCDC know it cant beat addison lee and all the other large private high firms so they pick on yellow badges. there was none of this pre licening of phv, as they were the enemy no the ybs
Deleteoh ffs, stop arguing with yourselves, this is nothing more than a republic of representatives from a taxi forum.
ReplyDeleteGOt hailed tonight 8pm Sloane street by a lady that said a Somalian driving a tx with a sat nav was going round and round trying to find cadogan gardens WTF ? I have a good friend at Wimbledon that has seen many many new Yb drivers turn up at Wimbledon station for a day or two and then you never see them again...
ReplyDeleteyb driver that gets lost or cant find a major hotel etc, makes us GBs look like amateurs and casts us in a bad light.
Many many yb have done the 30 runs so they can work up Town, I have sympathy with all the straight guys that are going to suffer because of these bandits, but in reality these IDs have to come in now, if they where ever shelved then it be open season forever with many more yb chancing their arm. We need to protect our profession and all the study and hard work it takes to become a GB.
Here we go again with another directive that has not been thought through with a bit of common sense
ReplyDeleteIf an ID is stolen where is the justification for suspension until replaced?
This directive must be challenged by everyone within the trade and some temporary solution agreed until a replacement is obtained
Do you mean to tell me that if a spitful passenger or "one of our enemy" decamps with the rear ID from a cab then that cab driver must immediately cease to work until his replacement ID is received ????
What absolute bollox
This surely must be a first when ALL the trade unite to oppose this stupid directive-or on reflection is this a wind up!!
To stop confusion here its not 30 runs ok its 30 front to back 60, then the union jacks another 8 then 10 inner runs fron to back then 30 point to point front to back thats 148 plus a few thousand points . takes 14 to 24 months to do ok . NOT 30 FUCK OFF UP TOWN ! Thank you SEMTEX for speaking up for YBS ,I bet all the ones that call us scum scabs etc have never been on a demo of moved a minicab off a rank ,They are the real traitors in this game ,The ones that do nothing ,I like to call them feeders because that what they are , They like to blame but refuse to do anything ,I belive that the lcdc and helen chapman have now split it ,If this is now the case, can we go our separate ways with our own local licencing athority as well ? and get the suburban drivers the hell out of TFL who are nothing more than career civil servants that feed as well Good Luck all and chin up " 8829 if you need a hand one day with O,C im willing to help , 14
ReplyDeleteJust what i was about to point out,where is this easy 30 runs loop hole?It takes on average 2 years each for most of the yb sectors.Please do your research before condemming roughly 2000 yb knowledge students + 3000 yb badge holders.
ReplyDeleteActually after a freedom of info request am told 250 Yellow Badge knowledge students at present
ReplyDeleteactually,no need for a freedom of info req,tfl main site-slightly out of date(jan 11) newest as june 11 figures were total yb students 1715 sector 2 now has 368 stuedents alone. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/businessandpartners/taxisandprivatehire/1408.aspx
ReplyDeleteThe identifiers are being brought in to make sure drivers play by the rules . Should you wish to work central london , then the solution is to do the Green Badge . If you want to work the suburbs do the Yellow Badge.
ReplyDeleteIts not a plot or plan to destroy anyone . Its a solution to a problem . However your Badge number displayed on show is not a great idea . Whether Green or Yellow .
Sadly the Yellows who nick work will have to stop and earn less . They are the ones to Blame , and they are the ones crying and shouting .
Why have i never ,ever seen a yellow badge wear there badge? that can only be 2 reasons, 1, they are ashamed, 2, they dont wont to be seen as yellow badges? why not, becouse they want there neighbours to think that they are green badges and work up town, to all yb that keep to the rules good luck, to those who dont, goodbuy.if a cab is seen after 1 march with no identifier showing, then Police, Tfl compliance teams ,Pco, nd GBS must assume they are yellow badges.This can only be good for the trade and every driver who has done the 3/5 year world famous knowledge.so when the yellow badges were watching telly they should have spent years on the knowledge,guys you only get out what you put in, From GB ,gants hill.
ReplyDeleteYes a great idea, especially next time you nick a job off me at CXR, I use your badge with OCZo web check find your name. With 192.com find your address and come round your house.
DeleteNot only me but ever driver, scab or nutty passenger you upset.
How would your family like a visit from one of these while your out?
IDs yeh their great idea
Number plates, pco plates,identifiers,insurance plates,com cab, radio taxis, dial a cab,xeta why not just ask the driver his name.
ReplyDeleteHI,if a surburban driver yb picked up out of his area and had a serious rta, would he still be insured?
ReplyDeletehonest answers only, cheers.
Treated the same as a tout picking up outside a club.
ReplyDeleteNo one bothered to ask or investigate.
So has never been seen as an issue
Yeah it is true that some yellow badges work in central, but there numbers are few, many do take jobs to come back. Who would'nt on a busy friday or saturday night. When people are hailing you with your lights off. There is not enough cabs to meet demand at this time.
ReplyDeleteThe solution was never identifers, but a cap on numbers. If we had half the numbers, we would never look else where, and even then the problem is small. Now instead of dealing with unregulated numbers you have given the public a means to harrass us beyond belief. Stupid, it would of made more sense to have the licence play coloured, and designed removable for rentals alike, now you have a stupid sticker that will make you a victim to nasty road users.
The problem was about numbers, even now you might have kicked aa few off your ranks, but they will still drive around, and can just say it was booked. If you report them, they will deny, you cannot prove jack.. Yes it will help, but my God what have you unleashed on us. I am worried about other road users. The ID should be like other countries a picture on display with just first name and badge number in the vehicle, and outside the actual vehicle badge should serve the job not this stupid thing. Be warned, divided we will be, say good by to your fellow taxi drivers, you will stand alone in central London surrounded by the private hire. There was another way! You been warned!
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ReplyDeleteI think even mini cabs, should have a cap on numbers. If there wasn't so many, then would you get so much of this touting. It's like every migrant that comes to the UK becomes a private hire driver, hardly a good way to intergrate into a new society.
ReplyDeleteAll the problems we talk of come down to allowing to many people into these trades. If they dont put a stop to the ever increasing size of the mini cab population, then we will all feel the pinch as more desperate drivers resort to nicking work.
I think this is the real issue, the real solution to all.
The rickshaws dont get me started, to allow in most cases people with no rights to work in this country, by a bike and get away with charging whatever they want. Blocking roads, dangerous unchecked vehichles, no training, no tax, no liability. If they can't sort this problem, what can they do?